LET IT aLL sTART hERE
For Catholics who care...
There has been a great deal of talk about fear in the last 48 hours following the outcome of this 2016 Presidential Election Tuesday.
I say this: I am not afraid. I am angry. I am angry and disappointed with my fellow Disciples of Christ, fellow Catholics, for actively voting Donald Trump into office. I am angry with myself, and disappointed for not doing enough to stop Trump from being elected President of The United States of America. Because... I surely was equipped to have campaigned against him by using what I would call Political Apologetics, an attempt to offer reasoned arguments or writing in justification of a theory that would convince Trump supporters to open their hearts to conversion. In the months prior to November 8th, I did about 10% of the work that I could have done...and most of it was lip service. Why was I not afraid, in the months leading up to the election, frightened enough, to focus my attention on what Jesus would have done to denounce and thwart this inherent evil? Certainly, the antidote to the Trump epidemic may be found in Jesus' teachings; so, why was I not motivated to find it? I tell myself: Yes. Curse the darkness. But curse yourself more for not lighting a candle! There is talk of a peaceful truce around the presidential election results. After all, what one Faithful woman I know expressed was: What is done is done. What can you do? She could not be more wrong! Acceptance, in this instance...a peaceful truce, would mean being in agreement with what has happened during this election process, and we must never be apathetic enough, worn out enough or fed up enough to tolerate what goes against Christ's teachings. Not ever. We all-- not just Catholics- are expected, to love God with all we have and to love our neighbor as ourselves. If Christians who voted for Donald Trump were unable to see how Trump's rhetoric opposes Christ's teachings, then they should not call themselves faithful Catholic or Christian. It's maddening. Think of it this way: At least if Americans who felt compelled to vote for Trump had stayed home because they could not have voted in good conscience for Hillary Clinton, there would be no blood on their hands. Whose blood, you might ask? The blood of Lady Liberty, who represents freedom from tyranny and oppression. And, if all of us, had Evangelized as Christ called his disciples to do we would have heard His voice clearly in this dark night: "Be not afraid...I am with you always."
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Kimberly
11/11/2016 06:07:12 am
Evelyn: Your writing is steadfast, clear, and cogent. Your capacity for reflexivity remarkable in this culture of narcissism. May you lead the way toward a broad mindedness, open hearts, and the Catholic commitment to social justice.
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Mary Ann Krasinski
11/12/2016 08:33:11 am
Well said..
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Jean
11/11/2016 10:31:55 am
What! Did you forget the blood of aborted babies by Hillary's undying support of Planned Parenthood and their abortions up to the moment of birth (and after-birth abortions)?
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Mary Ann Krasinski
11/12/2016 08:49:54 am
My daughters Cancer was diagnosed by planned Parenthood...Why because she could not afford any one else. Get off your high horse . If you supported Trump then you must own him too , along with that you own his bigotry, his racism, his admitted sexual predatory behavior, his xenophobia, his hatred and worst of all his refusal to accept that our planet is dying due to global climate change. What good is saving babies if we have no planet left for them to live in. I think it is you who should consider what hate filled news stations you are listening to! I heard Pope Francis when he called out Donald Trump...did you? He seems to have filled your hearty with the hate he spews...own it or it will consume you!
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dave
11/13/2016 06:19:00 am
We should just let babies die because of Trump's flaws? That's nonsense. Maybe some of those million babies killed in the U.S.per year would make the world a better place.
JD
10/25/2017 11:29:46 am
Mary Ann, MY daughter went to PP as a sophomore. They told her she probably wanted her pap results sent to the school so her parents wouldn't find out. Unfortunately, that was in May and the results sat in an empty school all summer long. She was given the envelope by a school nurse in Sept., an envelope which I subsequently found. It was not good news cancer-wise. When I called them (rightly) to complain, they were not sorry at all. Not one bit. I am happy you had a good experience with PP. Not all of us do. There are better places to go, places that actually care--give THEM the money. We all know what PP really cares about.
VERY CONCERNED PARISHIONER
11/12/2016 09:53:04 am
Jeannie, you said what I was not able to put into words. Many of my friends and fellow parishioners feel strongly that the author of this blog has every right to state her OPINION, but the parish website is not the proper venue. Furthermore, she has NO to judge the Catholics who voted for Trump rather than his evil opponent.
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Mary
11/12/2016 11:52:56 am
FYI Evelyn designed your parishes website but her blog Let It All Start Here is published by Weebly.com It has nothing to do with the parish! Here in lies the problem you are spreading misinformation . And you are spreading it to hurt some one in this case Evelyn who has done nothing but help your parish. One more question why don't you have guts to use your name? I can see that Trump has spawned an ugly side that no on would be proud to show. This is America and the Constitution preserves freedom of speech Evelyn was doing just that ! 11/13/2016 02:10:05 pm
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michael
11/13/2016 04:29:37 pm
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Mary Ann
11/15/2016 06:35:03 am
Well said Michael . It isn't easy to face the hard questions in life .
Jean
11/16/2016 08:19:39 am
11-13-16 Sorry, Michael. You need to reread my 'diatribe' vs Evelyn's opinion. I didn't say she forgot; I asked if she forgot or missed the news reports.
Jean
12/6/2016 02:06:47 pm
Michael: If you had trouble with my asking if Evelyn was forgetting specific events, you are definitely going to have a cow over my wondering if she has been smoking wacky tobacco when she admits she derives her info from the lying liberal Huffington Post and NY Times who defends abortion and homosexuality.
John
11/18/2016 09:28:52 am
I agree with you Jean. I voted for Donald Trump and am most definitely a very serious "Christian" "Catholic" in every way. It is all so futile for those to throw stones at Trump supporters. The points that you made are well said. I would also point out that the majority of "Evangelicals" did vote for Trump and they support him. The sad fact remains we had so many blind Catholics who mistakingly voted for President BO through their lack of wisdom. They chose and supported a President who has done more damage to our country in more ways than one, not to mention the most important fact which is that BO supports abortion and he lied to Pope Benedict when he told him he would not pass the abortion bill. I support life. I respect Priests for Life and the other RC Priests who have been honest enough to say to Catholics that they should not vote for Clinton and that Trump is the best choice. Priests for life has been advocating against Planned Parenthood as well as lawsuit against them. Priests for Life is a wonderful organization that defends life. So there is a lot more you and I could say about all of this but I am not going to be spending my time in any exchange of thoughts and ideas where there is potential for so much anger and stone throwers.
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Dave
11/11/2016 11:02:03 am
We are supposed to love everyone, but not the innocent babies still unborn? 3000 deaths per day? The Church has opposed abortion since day one as seen in the Didache. I agree there maybe difficulties in having an unplanned pregnancy (and even in planned ones!). But, one doesn't kill the innocent child. Instead let's turn all that Planned parenthood money into programs to help single mothers and parents in need to raise their children. Don't degrade your fellow Catholics for following the teaching of the Church. The Church teaches that life is an infinite good. All other "goods" such as education, career, family financial needs which may or may not diminish due to the birth of a child do not approach the "good" of life. Think of the child, the innocent child whose life is to be snuffed out. Hillary wanted to return to full term abortions. How could anyone in their right mind accept such a plan. 70% of Down syndrome children are now snuffed out before birth, yet Down Syndrome children are some of the most lovable people in the whole world. Who else thought like that (the killing of the handicapped)? Adolf Hitler. Thank God there are Catholics and others who could see, despite the antics of Trump, the iniquity of Hillary. Perhaps God has chosen a less than perfect human in Donald Trump, to end this travesty--a travesty, worse than the 200000/yr human sacrifices of the Aztecs.
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Mary Ann
11/12/2016 08:57:20 am
Travesty ! the travesty is you support a man who does not believe in Global Climate Change! The human suffering has already begun due to global warming! Save the world and her children . Did you not hear the Pope when he told us who and what kind of con man Trump is?
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Dave
11/13/2016 06:13:03 am
The "good" of lowering the effects of climate change which may or may not kill 3000 persons per day is not even in the same ballpark as the known killing of 3000 persons which we know occurs everyday due to abortion. To put all your emphasis on climate change which may be a long term effect versus the killing of innocents which is an immediate effect is not appropriate. The solution is to take of the infinite good is preserving all innocent life now, then to also take care of the secondary need of preserving the environment.
Concerned
11/11/2016 12:01:30 pm
It is so concerning that you are a leader at our parish. It is not our (your) place to judge the actions or opinions of others.
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Concerned Parshioner
11/12/2016 06:31:22 am
I hope this is not the consensus of our parish. As Catholics/Christians we need to love, forgive and not judge even if we have walked in their shoes. We have all said and done things in the heat of the moment after all we are all human and not perfect. "We the people" have spoke and now we need to unite like we did after 9/11 and make this work for ALL people of this great country.
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evelyn augusto
11/12/2016 07:55:30 am
Fr. Anthony Apostolic wrote:
Mary
11/12/2016 12:16:32 pm
Amen to that....I am hoping that your open heart is also open to those who see it differently. Dialogue is all we have....threats of retribution make positive dialogue impossible. I think the Church is strong enough to ask some hard questions without invoking an inquisition! America is strong and great, great enough to allow her citizens to speak freely. Actually that is why America is great.
evelyn augusto
11/12/2016 07:19:21 am
Fr. Andrew Apostoli wrote: For the Christian salvation isn't the main thing, it's the only thing!" Jesus Himself tells us that if we were to gain the whole world yet lose our souls in the process, in the end we have gained nothing. (cf. Lk 9:25) In fact, we will have missed the very purpose for which God created us, namely, to share eternal life with Him in the Kingdom of Heaven. The greatest obstacle to our salvation is sin. Therefore, the Christian must be ready to resist sin in himself and at the same time, be willing to help others to resist sin in their own lives.
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Mary Ann
11/12/2016 08:59:58 am
Amen!
evelyn augusto
11/12/2016 07:53:36 am
That is precisely why I am so involved in the Church: I can see things for what they are and I have the courage and conviction to respond accordingly.
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Mary
11/12/2016 12:03:41 pm
"Thou dost protest too much". All of you know that the reason you love Evelyn is because she tells it like it is. Sometimes the truth is inconvenient
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Jean
11/15/2016 02:28:54 pm
The inconvenient truth is that every abortion is a taking of an innocent life.
Mary Ann
11/12/2016 09:35:04 am
Evelyn you must continue to fight the good fight... to speak the truth, remember in the end truth and love always win. Some people just can't see the forest for the trees! Trump has awakened such ugly and vindictive behavior and it is easy to back down,,,but you never take the easy way out...that is what it means to fight the good fight! Some seem to forget what Pope Francis said about Mr Trump and even worse they forget the teaching of Jesus. These are the people who would cast the first stone in a heartbeat.
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Mary
11/12/2016 12:48:25 pm
You know it just dawned on me Evelyn you struck a nerve. And some do not like it they never do
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Kim
11/13/2016 05:21:44 am
Mary: Wish I was closer as I would love to continue this conversation over a coffee or lunch. I live far away from both you and Evelyn, but now am concerned about the degree to which politics will divide your congregation.
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Dave
11/13/2016 07:18:22 am
When I read posts such as this, I am always totally amazed at the lack of understanding of the hierarchy of "goods". Somehow people place lesser goods above a greater good. Thus the good of the environment is placed over the taking of 3000 lives per day. Statements such as "if Americans who felt compelled to vote for Trump had stayed home because they could not have voted in good conscience for Hillary Clinton, there would be no blood on their hands" is simply not true. There are sins of commission and sins of omission. For any good Catholic not to lift a finger, or a prayer, or anything to prevent the slaughter of 3000 babies a day is a sin of omission. To vote for someone who wants to allow abortions to be able to the day of delivery, is absurd. Who is there that believes that the baby the day before birth is any less a person than the day after birth? This is certainly misguided thought. Even with Trump's misguided behavior, which Pope Francis rightly admonished, it is hardly feasible that Pope Francis could have voted against a flawed man with some flawed ideas (wall between US and Mexico?) over a flawed woman who openly supports the killing of innocents-- an evil far greater even the mistreatment of immigrants. This is not to say to say that one can tolerate the mistreatment of immigrants, but rather that the good of life is a far greater good and must be addressed first and foremost. One must address both, both are evils, but life has a primacy. Without life one cannot do the will of the Father which according to Jesus is necessary to enter the kingdom of God. In the '60s Catholics were often considered to be Democrats because Democrats were pushing for social justice in the civil rights movement. Yet after Roe vs Wade, Democrats began to push anti-life issues along with social justice issues. The Church has properly denounced the anti-life issues and acknowledges that these issues are far greater than the social justice issues which also need to be addressed. The Church has put the saving of innocent life as the primary social justice issue. Life is of infinite value. If we could eliminate the misguided life issues of abortion, euthanasia, etc., the Church could once again direct its full authority toward these other issues. Let's take the money directed toward Planned Parenthood and apply it to programs for unwed mothers, the poor, etc. Support them in raising their kids. If we recognize the infinite human dignity of both the born and the unborn, all will be treated better. First let's protect life.
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Dave: Thank you for taking the time to clarify Church teachings. Many just don't know the Truth. Dave, I never suggested that Hillary be elected president. I stand with Pro-Life not Pro-Choice.
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Anne Cannon
11/14/2016 03:42:49 pm
Evelyn, it is with a heavy heart that I respond to your blog. I have been upset since it first appeared on the website for our church, Sacred Heart in Stamford, New York. I don't know where to begin, so I guess I'll start here. When there was talk of Trump running for president, I was aghast. I thought he was crazy, and I hated his hair!!! I disagreed with his stand on gays, handicapped people, minority groups, and the list goes on and on. I don't care what color a person is, what country they're from, or their sexual persuasion. I only care what color their soul is. Unfortunately, there are a lot of criminals in America who are either from the United States or foreign countries, and I applaud anyone who wants to make America great again. Aside from his many faults and idiocincracies,
jackie white
11/13/2016 01:13:11 pm
Dave,
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Mary Ann
11/15/2016 06:46:06 am
Yea lets take the money away from Planned Parenthood the same Planned Parenthood that saved my daughter's life. The same Planned Parenthood that treats millions of poor woman who otherwise would not have any where to go.The same Planned Parenthood that screens for cancer and saves lives!...Like I said some people can't see the forest for the trees.
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Dave
11/15/2016 07:09:48 am
Mary Ann, I am glad that the exam at Planned Parenthood saved your daughter's life. Yet cancer screening, breast exams, counseling are but a small part of Planned Parenthood's mission. Their primary focus and income are abortions. Planned Parenthood was also exposed for the selling of body parts to make additional income.
Janet Marie
11/18/2016 10:38:56 am
PP kills far more people than it saves. If I knew that my doctor was shooting other patients in the head, I would not go to her.
Jean
11/16/2016 06:54:49 am
Thank you Dave for bringing sanity to this issue.
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Dave
11/13/2016 09:18:38 pm
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Jean
11/15/2016 02:06:21 pm
Thanks Dave. I agree. There are other option especially since PPH does not do the cancer screenings itself. There are other options to abortions as well.
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Concerned
11/14/2016 04:36:21 am
This is the time we must come all together and not be divided . It's done , the Elections are over . We must all work together for the common good, from the womb to the uninsured. ..to the family who as no food , underpaid employees , religious persecution, to the people who suffer from illnesses. We need now to put our faith in God instead of bashing our fellow Christians. Remember each life is precious to God , let's not be devided ., we must not now be judgmental of others .
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Corinne
11/14/2016 04:39:20 am
Yes that was my post
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Corinne
11/26/2016 05:09:19 pm
Please don't confuse this post with the other concerned post
Concerned
11/15/2016 02:35:37 am
Again I can't stress enough they we should be promoting love and unity . We are all saying this blog should not be on the church website , some issues should not be I quite agree.
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anne cannon
11/15/2016 05:57:19 am
Amen! Let's give peace a chance. Let's all do our part to promote unity, peace, and trust in Almighty God to bless our nation. Let's put God back into our society🙏🙏🙏
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Concerned
11/15/2016 06:16:43 am
Amen to that Anne
Concerned
11/15/2016 06:21:55 am
Sorry some of my spelling or missed words is because I talk into the phone because I have difficulty with the light on the phone it hurts my eyes so sorry if I misspelled anything but my intentions were good
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Dave
11/15/2016 07:17:11 am
The prayer of St Francis is such a terrific prayer. Yes we are to console, to love, etc., but we are also to shed light in order to dispel darkness. So many wish to do good but do not seem to understand that one must choose the greatest good, in this case life over death as a solution to an unplanned pregnancy. Let us pray that all come to this basic, intrinsic understanding of the value of the human person.
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Concerned
11/15/2016 08:06:51 am
Just a prayer of peace
Jean
11/15/2016 02:43:04 pm
Please, all of you who are pro-abortion or undecided, please read the book LIME 5 by MarK Crutcher.
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Fr. Michael
11/16/2016 12:45:45 pm
"I would like to respond to two claims or implications, one in each of these two paragraphs from the original blog post:
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michael
11/16/2016 02:04:22 pm
one of the main take-aways, for me, from the comments on this blog, is that it has reaffirmed my choice long ago to part with the catholic church as a regular practitioner and not to be an advocate of what seems to be the "church's positions" on many controversial matters. pro-life? the way that term is used - or rather mis-used - in the large scheme of things is offensive and certainly incomplete. what you call pro-life, i - and other "non-heathens" - call "pro-birth"... that's what you're rally talking about, so why not be "pro-honesty" as well. Instead of relying on the Center For Medical Progresses accusations, and re-quoting statistics fact-checked and proven to be falsified, why not extend your "research" into areas that offer opinions (and evidence) contrary to your own (limited) point of view? but, rather than trust my opinion, just re-read comments by jean, dave, and the anonymous "concerned parishioner" - which begs the question, just what is this person concerned about"? and, father michael, with all due respect, your thinly veiled chiding of evelyn's points in the first two paragraphs belies your not-so-thinly-veiled preferences for the antagonistic comments made by the "one-issue voters" whose outrage is only surpassed by their rationalizing of indefensible motives or arguments. you deftly skirted around any of trump's notorious (validated) lying, racism, misogyny, xenophobia, etc., but dove straight into your own "sin" of voting for bill clinton - as if it would negate evelyn's point(s) against the obvious moral issues inherent in our new "president-elect." i am just as offended by the "pass" you offered some mean-spirited attackers of evelyn's blog, as i am by your "justification" for excerpting two paragraphs from her text and not so subtly refute their relevance as to what constitutes or does not constitute a 'faithful' catholic. while i don't know you personally - nor any of those involved in the "comments section,"
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Dave
11/16/2016 03:19:45 pm
Michael the proper term is pro-life. The Church's teaching on life far exceeds just a taking on abortion. All life is above all and must be protected. This protection causes the Church to decry euthanasia, embryonic stem cell experimentation, and Human cloning. Everyone I know acknowledges Trump's and Hillary's sinful natures. We also pray that those (and many others) might have a conversion of heart. It is the current pro-abortion policy of the Democrats which is the issue. One cannot participate in the death of these innocents, whether be by voting to pay for such abortions, taking individuals to the clinic for an abortion, working at the clinic, etc. One issue voting may not be appropriate when deciding on various programs of equal worth, but it is totally appropriate when it comes to the killing of 3000 children per day. As bad as racism is or any other kind of discrimation, others can at least try to counter the effects of some one's racist marks or discrimation. It is IMPOSSIBLE to counter the effects of abortion for the child is dead. The starting in your empathy for the ills of the world must be the recognition that the taking of lives is the worst, infinitely above the other problems in the world. Protect the innocent, then also work on these other evils.
Dennis
11/23/2016 04:32:56 am
Michael, I have had you on my mind. You seem to have stepped away from the Catholic church. I wish you would consider returning to us. How can I help you, how can we help you?
Fr. Michael
11/18/2016 07:59:48 am
I just realized my initial response was inadvertently truncated ... must have been too long. Here's the rest:
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11/18/2016 02:29:35 pm
To many of those following along: If, for a minute, you might remove the rose colored sunglasses so my words could be read clearly....
Anonymous
11/18/2016 12:15:42 pm
Because ...
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Denise
11/16/2016 08:56:36 pm
With each new blog post I am finding it more and more difficult to remain silent. The most recent “Preventing Homily Abuse”, and “Conscientious Objector” posts have me questioning the true intent of this blog.
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michael
11/17/2016 04:02:07 am
dave,
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Dave
11/17/2016 02:13:03 pm
Michael, in a previous post you say the term "partial birth abortion" is a right-wing "political term" not a medical term. I guess you want to use the term "intact dilation and extraction". Does that mean a life of a full term is not taken, typically by putting the baby in the breech position, pulling out the baby, but not all the way so that part of the baby is still in the vaginal canal. Then breaking into the skull and typically sucking out the brains? Does using a medical term instead of the U.S. Government used term"Partial Birth abortion" change any of that. It may sanitize the process to our ears, but does not change the awful reality.
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Mary Ann
11/18/2016 08:17:04 am
FYI because the truth matters..http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/06/truth-late-term-abortions/
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Mary Ann
11/18/2016 08:23:12 am
In one simple quote, Sister Joan Chittister, O.S.B. sums up the hypocrisy of many in the 'pro-life' movement:
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evelyn augusto
11/18/2016 10:14:31 am
To many of those following along: If, for a minute, you might remove the rose colored sunglasses so my words could be read clearly....
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Shocked
11/19/2016 02:20:43 am
Talk about innuendo! Let's now toss out the innuendo that anyone challenging your thoughts can't think of anything substantial to say? Do the words get off your high horse mean anything to you? Absolutely unbelievable.
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evelyn augusto
11/19/2016 05:04:21 am
Dear Shocked:
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Jean
11/19/2016 07:42:09 am
Evelyn:
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Dave
11/19/2016 01:27:44 pm
Lots of good points Jean. Let's clarify a couple of things.
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evelyn augusto
11/22/2016 08:02:59 pm
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Dave
11/22/2016 09:10:55 pm
Yes there are problem areas with Trump and with Hilary. But Catholics voted for life. The taking of human innocent life far exceeds these other problems. Continue to be on guard against the other problems, but first of all, primarily, be for life. When will the Pro-choice movement ever recognize that abortion is life taking and consider the effect on innocent children which is far greater than the effects of Islamaphobia on good Muslims. The anti-Christian sentiment of the Democrats and the loss of Religious freedom are also valid reasons to vote against Hilary who said we must change our Religious beliefs. Trump promises to support our true Constitutional rights-- to allow Religious Freedom for all, which means you can practice your religious beliefs in public, in doctors offices, in hospitals, etc. The Constitution merely prevents the establishment of a Church, for example--the Church of England, from being the named religion of the country. The words of the constitution have twisted. It is time to set things back to where they belong. Where Religious Freedom falls in relation to the other goods discussed in the campaigns is debatable, but the INFINITE good of saving 3000 lives per day should never be. Follow the Church's teaching on life, not what the media and other elements say.
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evelyn augusto
11/23/2016 04:21:10 am
Please reread Notes from a Conscientious Objector. I never suggested that Hillary was the right choice. I claimed that more should have been done to preserve our Democracy from the likes of Donald Trump. And I wrote that piece before he started putting his "dream team" together...people who are almost as, if not equally despicable as he is.
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evelyn augusto
11/23/2016 04:29:34 am
I challege folks to read this with a open heart: http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_582e6b1fe4b08c963e343d23?
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Dave
11/28/2016 02:34:43 pm
I read the.commentary you mentioned and Mary Ann's link to the discussion of late abortions. Let me respond to Mary Ann's link. The article stated there are only 1% of the abortions that are in the 8th or 9th month. There used to be 1 million abortions in the U.S.. That means only 10000 "premie" babies were killed. Am I supposed to feel good about that? Those life's don't matter because perhaps many may have been handicapped? Only perfect, productive humans allowed (Hitler's theme)? Isn't that a great tragedy, greater than any racist or sexist comment? Most of the rest of the the 1 million babies probably were "perfect", killed for inconvenience. What a tragedy.
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Jean
12/8/2016 06:41:31 pm
Dave: You said it better than I. Thanks.
evelyn augusto
12/6/2016 03:04:37 pm
Is your name Jean or Jeannie?
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Jean
12/8/2016 07:18:01 pm
Evelyn:
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michael
12/6/2016 03:11:09 pm
to jean, dave, and other like-minded people who would do well to have a group portrait taken for a poster entitled, "reasons free-thinking people
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Jean
12/8/2016 06:59:04 pm
. Keep them coming Michael, I'm enjoying them.
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Jean
12/8/2016 06:43:26 pm
After a week of silence, I was hoping that this silly idea of defeating Trump by voting for a 3d candidate ( that still remains unnamed) was over. As most religious talk of politics, it has evolved into global warming, accusations of blood on your hands, not being faithful, feeding the poor, etc..
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michael
12/9/2016 07:19:01 am
jean...
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Jean
12/9/2016 09:13:02 am
You are chucked right full of errors; 12/9/2016 08:18:34 am
Jean:
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Jean
12/9/2016 09:36:51 am
Evelyn:
Dave
12/9/2016 07:27:47 am
Aw Michael, you have never addressed the fact that the Church teaches that life is of infinite value--far more important than your other issues (which are still important, but less important. The Church as Mother has the right and responsibility to teach us such things, just as a Mother has a right to tell her child that playing in the street is a dangerous thing to do. It doesn't mean that the mother hates her child. Same is true of the Church's other moral teachings about sex outside of marriage, stealing, lying, contraception, going to Church at least on Sunday, etc. She never hates the sinner, and is fact is showing love to them. She cannot keep these truths to herself, any more than the mother in my example can keep the dangers of playing in the street to herself. As you know, often she must even enforce it.
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Jean
12/9/2016 09:57:24 am
Evelyn :
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evelyn augusto
12/10/2016 09:40:47 am
I can't believe as woman, you would ask me: "Just what is there about Trump you hate?"
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Jean
12/10/2016 11:30:00 am
Yep, I'm out here. I can't be alone; have you seen that nearly half of his named cabinet are the smartest generals? The other half are intelligent women who didn't believe those women (oh, 'his hands were all over me on the plane,' give me a break) and who understood Trump's private words were locker room bragging.
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